The Post
I was a feature writer in New York when Barry Forbis called me from Cincinnati and asked me if I'd consider writing a column. This was 1987. I loved working in New York, didn't like living there. I'd also never written an opinion piece. Forbis, the Post sports ed. at the time, gave me a chance. That's what The Post did. It gave people chances.
The list is staggering of writers who went there raw and came out polished: Jay Mariotti, Rick Hoffer (SI), Bruce Schoenfeld, Jerry Crasnick (ESPN.com), Todd Jones, Todd Archer and on and on. Don't mean to slight anyone, I just don't have the space. The people writing sports there now are young and incredibly talented. And of course, there is Lonnie Wheeler. All he's done is write a book that went to No. 1 on the New York Times bestseller list, and stayed there.
The Post had editors who let you poke around the edges of propriety, let you take chances, believed in allowing you to, as Davey Johnson put it, "express your talent.'' As the second newspaper in a two-paper town, the Post was feisty, aggressive and hungry. When I was there, We at the Post believed They at the Enquirer were fat, lazy and overly full of themselves. We were, more often than not, correct.
When I worked there (1988-94), we had lots of travel money. I saw the world on Scripps' dime: Seoul, Barcelona etc. I also went to every major sporting event in America. Thanks to the Post and its editors, I learned how to write a column.
Unfortunately, it's only a big deal to newspaper people when newspapers die. Truth is, every time another source of credible information disappears, everyone's ability to make informed choices is diminished. Best of luck to all who fought the good fight at The Post. It's not your fault. It's only your problem. More's the pity, for all of us.
Live big, Bear Queenan.
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As much as it couldn't keep up with the Enquirer, mostly because of its size (or lack thereof), I can only speak volumes of kind words for The Post. When I was in my first go-round at UC, catching games or two there for The News Record, I was asked if I would be interested in stringing for The Post. I didn't even know what a stringer was. However, I figured it out and spent about 5 years there doing so.
The biggest loss people will look back on, at least in recent years, is the HUGE coverage of high school sports (namely Kentucky). The Kentucky Post, the other half of The Post, is how those in Northern Kentucky got their news on the local prep scene. That is what I did my stringing for. It was either covering a game or simply sitting in the office 4-5 nights a week spitting trash talk with the other stringers or staff. It was my pleasure to take advantage of a chance to write up small bits on Highlands football or Mount Notre Dame volleyball. The Post gave me that opportunity.
I cannot give enough high praise to Terry Boehmker, who showed me the ins and outs of covering a ballgame. Terry WAS Northern Kentucky sports there, holding an insane amount of knowledge and then sharing that with whoever would listen. I sure as hell hope he gets a good gig somewhere because he deserves it. He was probably the biggest influence on me while doing my time there. He quite possibly is my main influence to progress my life in journalism.
Another that gave me a reason to get into journalism would be Jason Williams. Unfortunately, most in this town only know Jason from the Huggins' fiasco. If only they knew exactly how good a journalist, writer, and photographer he is.
It boggles, but doesn't surprise, me to learn of the established writers that began there and moved on to bigger and better things. I would not doubt working in that small office influenced them to an extreme extent.
I wish all the staff members that are being forced to move elsewhere nothing but luck.
Pat Tarplee
ptarplee@yahoo.com
Not sure what I feel about the demise of the Post.
Growing up in Cincinnati in the 1970's, your dad came home from work around 5:00ish, had a couple of cocktails, and read the Post. My first job was delivering the paper, right after school, in a small neighborhood behind St. Teresa in Price Hill.
But I cannot recall the last time I purchased the paper myself. I race home from work, change clothes, and head out to coach one youth sports team or another ... or I am working late ... or I am trying to squeeze in the workout that I missed in the morning ... or knock out some yardwork or home repairs ... or homework to be done. The News is something I squeeze in when I am on the computer or near a radio or TV. I would NEVER get away with coming home from work, plopping up my feet, and reading an evening paper.
The evening paper has gone the way of the days when grocers pulled your products, milkmen stopped by your house, and service stations pumped your gas. And it is just as unlikely to be seen again. RIP Post.
Amen, Paul.
I graduated last year with a degree in journalism, and outside of some minor part-time freelance work I do for a newspaper in California, decided not to pursue a career in journalism because there is no stability in the newspaper business to try and make a living out of it. The fourth estate is a shadow of its former self.
Isn't is ironic that the newspaper being ushered out often has the more informed and/or conscientious journalists?
Paul Daugherty yesterday challenged a caller on WLW Sports Talk for asserting that UC was the only team in the Big east without local news media in attendance at Media Day. After all, if that fact was ascertainable, Mr. Daugherty would not be ignorant of it. Yet Lonnie Wheeler today states in print what was surely known by more people than the one caller - "Of the eight conference football schools, UC was the only one unattended in such a way."
I want to echo what PT said and say that here is hoping Terry Boehmker lands on his feet.
Terry does know me and I don't know him, but he has given me countless hours of joy reading his high school notebook column and coverage of prep sports on saturday mornings. He will be be missed.
Same goes for Jim Osborne, who more than any other person has captured the visuals of NKY sports as long as I can remember.
Two craftsmen who will be missed.
It's sort of a perfect storm for the newspapers these days. The Internet forces fewer newspapers, which then causes weakened existing papers.
As Bruce Bartlett wrote:
It used to be that newspapers were the principal disseminators of news. In all major cities, there were at least two newspapers — one or more in the morning and at least one in the afternoon. This created competition for ideas as well as readers.
In any town with two or more papers, one paper would tend to be liberal and another one conservative for purely competitive reasons. In practice, this usually meant that the major paper (usually the morning paper) was liberal and the secondary paper (usually the afternoon paper) was conservative.
A decade or so ago, a new editor caused my Columbus Dispatch, a paper that once leaned conservative to tilt liberal. (Columbus Monthly gave us all the inside scoop on how deliberative it was.)
Hey, 10am... I don't take statements at face value. Just because a coach said it doesnt make it so. I doubt the caller knew any more than what he'd heard.
Paul, I don't think you should take statements of fact by callers at face value, either. But, now that you know it's true, can we assume you have a revised opinion? This is not a challenge - I have always felt you were fair in being open about changing your mind on something.
Obviously my opinion is it should have been covered. Just wondering where you are today. And I'd assume you have enough pull at the Enquirer to be able to write what you believe and not just tout the company line.
Ok, 12:22, here's what i believe... newspapers are under siege... money's tight... i can't tell you how many events i used to cover that for budget reasons, have been taken away: US Open, World Series, Final 4, Super Bowl, baseball playoffs, All Star Game... basically, I'm down to Bengals road games and, if I beg hard enough, the Masters... so excuse me for not shedding tears that we couldnt cover a conference football media day which, honestly, is a great, big hype-fest where, with rare exception nothing of note happens... the decision was financial, not personal, and as such, was not my call... would I like to spend a few days in Newport, RI? Of course. But for UC folks and their fans to rip the media generally and the paper specifically for not attending belies an understanding of the financial situation of most papers these days. If you argue that Cinti was the only BE city not represented, I will say that Cincy is one of the few BE cities that covers pro sports on a daily basis. I would expect Syracuse, Morgantown, Louisville etc to go to Newport; that's their thing... right now, UC football ranks no better than 5th locally when it comes to fan interest, behind Reds, Bengals, UC basketball and high school football... it's up to Kelly to build the program and the interest, not to the media to act as cheerleaders. I hope that answers your question.
Pittsburgh, South Florida both have the pro teams and they were there.
I'm curious to see how much $$ UC spends on advertising in the local papers....
Can't afford $800 ???
Baloney....... (Kahn's)
I agree with Kelly's comments on Lance yesterday. There is a basic standard which The Enquirer has repeatedly failed to meet.
I may be wrong, but don't 7 of the 15 cities have pro ball??
Marquette / Milwaukee
Cincinnati / Cincinnati
South Florida / Tampa
Villanova / Philadelphia
St. John / New York
Pitt / Pittsburgh
Georgetown / DC
Paul, I can't tell you how disappointed I am in your stance on this. I'm surprised, too - you write so big time yet you somehow support this rinky dink media attitude from your higher ups.
After the sensationalized sex scandal that wasn't, imho the Enquirer should be kissing UC's feet for NOT suing for libel.
Paul, know this: It IS a big deal to us readers, too, that the Post is soon dead.
Many of us loved the paper.
Lately, I can't find it with a search warrant--the Enquirer succeeded in finally killing it...
You are such a fraud Paul; give up the radio gig and go back to typing out your birdcage liner drivvel. And yes, go ahead and delete this you gutless censor coward.
Little by little Gannett is squeezing the heart and soul of journalism in this town, replacing the void with ad-driven content and market-driven "agendas". First the Community Press is a shrunken shell,an advertorial hodgepodge of journalistic fluff.
Now the Post, the crucible of independent ideas and great sports writers- including Mssrs. Wheeler and Rosencrans.
Doc, you are a gifted writer and I enjoy your columns. It is truly a shame that the next generation of sportswriters will not have the opportunity to ply their trade at the Post, resigned to reign as corporate shills in the local business-university-media complex.
3:27 and 4:39 Paul said pro sports not just pro football.
I agree with Paul. Until Nippert stadium sells out and people show interest in UC football, why should they spend the money to cover it? Newpapers may have ethical obligations to cover some things, but I wouldn't put college football in that category.
hey, 940: everything I write and say has my name and voice attached. What about you, Anonymous? Talk about gutless cowards. PAUL DAUGHERTY
Hey 439: Marquette, Villanova, St. John's and G-town don't play football.
"it's up to Kelly to build the program and the interest, not to the media to act as cheerleaders"
Paul,
When did reporting the news become acting as a cheerleader?
We are not asking for the media to be UC cheerleaders. We are asking them to cover the team. That means more than writing an article about last night's game, or a special interest article on a player/coach once in awhile.
The local media was wrong for not covering Big East Media Day. It's as simple as that. No excuses.
I find it hard to believe that the Enquirer is the only Big East city newspaper that felt it was pointless to cover Big East Media Day. Brian Kelly used the term "arrogance". It seems to fit.
Have you read Lonnie Wheeler's article concerning this issue?
Matt said - "Until Nippert stadium sells out and people show interest in UC football, why should they spend the money to cover it? Newpapers may have ethical obligations to cover some things, but I wouldn't put college football in that category."
Can someone please define the minimum requirements for UC football to receive typical coverage associated with a college football team?
Attendance - 25,000? 40,000? 75,000?
League titles - how many?
BCS bowl game?
Can someone from the local media please let UC and Brian Kelly know so they can set some goals for the next couple of years?
Actually Georgetown and Villanova play football. Not in the Big East but both play.
Paul,
Nice jab at the gutless coward!! One overiding theme of sports Blog sites is the constant whining.
(note to self: never host or moderate a sports blog)
As a long time UC season ticket holder I think media coverage of UC has been commensurate with the amount of empty stands in Nippert. Most alums in my section would agree that the stands must be filled before the coverage is expanded. Meanwhile the whiners (vast minority I suspect) will continue their shrill entries.
Paul...
I believe your quote was ...
"I will say that Cincy is one of the few BE cities that covers pro sports on a daily basis."
All of the BE cities that have pro teams were there. Two of them who have pro teams and no college were there.
You were better off sticking to the budget woes angle.
To all: Media days are rarely "news.'' Having covered at least 30 of them, in various sports, I can assure you of that. L. Wheeler is entitled to his opinion. I like B. Kelly. I hope he does well. I want to write more about UC football, if only because it would give me another writing option Saturday (or tuesday, weds, thurs or whenever espn tells them to play)... the level of coverage is commensurate w/the level of interest... interest has never been great... if you show up more, so will I...deal? That's the last I'm going to say about this dead-horse-for-20-years subject. Thanks for the input, especially those with the fortitude to apply their names to their comments...
What is all this tlk about UC football? Is there a team? Where do they play?
Sincerely,
UC Student
I liked the Cincinnati Post. I bought both the Enquirer and the Post for years. I especially bought the Post when Reds or Braves games ran late and I knew the Enquirer would not have the updated box score but, being a later paper, the Post would be more up to date on the previous night's games.
I think every city the size of Cincinnati deserves a morning and evening paper, or at least two papers that are competitive to a point. Now the Enquirer has total control and I don't think it's healthy for the city.
With the invasion of the internet services I would imagine that ALL daily newspaper sales are on the decline. In this age there has to be something more exciting about daily newspapers to keep people wanting to buy them, but, at the same time, they have to stay credible. When you can read half of the Enquirer online, it's bound to affect sales.
I live in Maineville and when I noticed The Post wasn't available at UDF on a consistent basis I knew something was up. Then it would only show up on Saturdays.
The rest of my post has nothing to do with newspapers and everything to do with Marge Schott. I have relatives who are buried near her grave and I always notice that the waste basket in front of her plot is half full of empty beer cans. I imagine several people, probably fans, "toast" her in memory. I also remember that Mr. Daugherty was adament in his disrespect for her on a Sunday night, 11:30 edition of Sports of All Sorts several months before she died.
I'm wondering if his feelings for Marge have changed over time and want to remind Paul and everyone that, like it or not, the Reds haven't been able to do anything on the field since she stepped down.
With PD's attitude it is easy to see why the Post is out of business and the Enquirer is in financial distress. The customers want something for their money, the papers decide the customers are wrong. The customer finds the info elsewhere (internet) and cancels subscription. Great business plan.
"the level of coverage is commensurate w/the level of interest..."
Does this apply to Women's Tennis? Three pages a day!
Paul -- now it makes sense why you were missing events like the superbowl. The print media has been losing ground for years to the televised coverage and now the internet. I'm glad that your paper still has the budget to send you to some events, it has to be frustrating to report from afar.
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