Dusty talks to Prior and Wood
2 Chicago papers report Dusty has had talks with both. I'd look at Wood, depending on the price. I wouldnt touch Prior with a 10-foot Louisville Slugger. BTW, Dusty-bashers, if he "ruined'' these 2 arms, why would they want to talk to him?
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Post a Comment*Well, could they possibly be interested in making some money? If it's guaranteed, why would they care?
to dusty-bashers I ask: which no-name reds insider would you prefer? (when answering this question, remember how we've done the last 7 years)
Is anonymous at 9:15 AM serious? "Well, you ruined my career.... Oh wait, you have money? Well now, then all is forgiven." Forgive me if I don't see a conversation with those sorts of undertones transpiring between Baker and Prior or Wood.
I'd take Prior on a make-good contract.
Low base pay and incentives based on IP.
The dusty bashers ARE NOT thinking...they are using an argument they sorta heard somewhere and they are using it because they are too cowardly to admit the REAL reason they don't like him, which also happens to be the same reason they don't like Marvin Lewis, Chad Johnson, Eric Davis..........
cowards.
The article states that Dusty talked to them, there was no indication that they were interested in a Dusty reunion. The article also says that Dusty does not know waht is wrong with Prior, so do not read into this outside of Dusty making it know that he plans to go recruiting.
My parents ruined my life and I still talk to them. ; )
People frequently have emotional connections to people who are, objectively speaking, bad for them. Just because Prior and Wood maintain a friendly relationship with Baker doesn't mean he didn't mismanage their careers. Many people probably retain warm feelings for a likeable boss who happened to be incompetent.
(note: I'm NOT saying Baker is or is not incompetent, I'm just saying Doc's reasoning that "Baker must not have hurt Wood & Prior's careers because they still talk to him" is fatally flawed. Kind of like Doc's argument that W & P's arm problems aren't Dusty's fault because they had bad mechanics anyway. Well, if they were so fragile due to bad mechanics, wasn't it a bad idea to repeatedly let them throw 130 or so pitches?) I'm willing to give Dusty a fair shot, but I haven't heard any of his defenders answer that last question.
wow it only took 5 comments to get to someone pulling out the race card. There's a shock!!! Never mind the reds already have a full staff of retreads and people don't want two more. It's all because dusty is black......
pathetic.
People are missing an important point. While Dusty may have more personnel clout than Narron or Miley, he is still not the G.M. But judging on who Krivsky signed for pitching recently( Cormier, Guardado, Stanton) these guys may fit the bill for a Krivsky type signing to supplement the young pitching they have coming up without giving up prized position players up in trades.
Doc:
You see Dumatrait's a Pirate now?
Deal Bruce and Votto. NL's wide open next year and prospects never won anything for anybody - ask the Expos....Nationals....
Gotta strike while the iron's hot. Think big. How about hammering this home on your radio show?
Hey, Jeff... I see 3 untouchables: Harang, Phillips, Bruce... to get a decent SP (and I still think D.Willis qualifies), they're going to have to part with someone that will make you cringe -- Votto, Hamilton, Cueto... Wood intrigues me...made just 1.75 m last year, if he's healthy could be in this rotation... wouldnt touch Prior, because he has to make almost 3 mil and you'd have to trade someone to get him...plus, as we know, he's a house of cards physically...
I'd say Arroyo's untouchable at this point. He can be frustrating at times but he's good for 200+ innings every year and quality starting pitching is tough to come by these days. It'd be nice if he'd stop answering questions about goals by talking about individual stats though...
No question Bruce is promising, I just have a tough time granting untouchable status to anyone who has yet to have a big league at bat - if he's the caliber of prospect (with others, of course) that could pry a guy like Santana from Minnesota or Sabathia from Cleveland (both guys in final year of contracts that are SURE to break the bank ($20 mil+ per year, likely) after next year, I'd deal him.
More on "prospects"here for anyone interested.
I would seriously look at Wood and consider making him a closer. It might be a little easier on his arm than starting. I also wouldn't touch Prior unless he was dirt cheap.
Does anybody else think Kerry Wood could make a pretty good closer?
Looks like the Yankees are going to make Girardi their manager.
Good enough for the Yankees but not the Reds, Daugherty?
And he is cheaper too. The Reds will regret not making him an offer.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3085167
Dusty was the best available
LaRusso was not going to happen and Torre? He couldn't win with a 200M+ payroll and turned down 5 mil a year..if you thought Torre was coming here, Si Leis wants to know what you have been smoking.
What we need is Mark Shapiro, Indians GM who got them the players, with a smaller payroll than the Reds, to get within 1 game of the World Series.
He has the talent to make the tough decisions between Bruce, Votto, Junior, Bigfoot, and all the others.. when you are pathetic losers, no-one is untouchable, and he won't pick up the phone and talk to criminals from Washington DC.
Doc, you are right about 2 things(3 if you want to count going for it on 4th and 1 from the 2 yard line)
1)We have disgustingly low expectations in this city..
2)If The Reds were a movie that cost 70 million to make, just because they shot it in Cincinnati... think about something that blew as bad as "Gigli"... does not mean we should pony up to the ticket booth to watch it.
If you build it, we will come...
Dave from Montgomery
The Reds have now become the Charlestown Chiefs (the miserably bad team in the movie Slap Shot) of Major League Baseball.
To quote Reggie Dunlop from Slap Shot:
"Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the league you gotta buy it."
That, in a nutshell, is the Cincinnati Reds of the 21st century.
great line from jersdave:
"If you thought Torre was coming her, Si Leis wants to know what you've been smoking."
No doubt, so he could get some of that. Si must be smoking something to behave the way he does.
Paul, what do Wood and Prior say about their arm injuries and Dusty? Everyone seems to have a point of view one way or another but I'm curious what the pitchers actually think.
Dock: Have to disagree with your assessment on Wood and Prior. Wood has had horrible mechanics since the first anyone saw of him. He is DL waiting to happen, not if, but when. He can't throw the slider anymore due to those mechanics, only fastball and change. Can't be a starter with 2 pitches. He takes forever to warm up so I don't think you can use him as a closer nad middle relief is out becuase those guys get up and down often in a game. Wood can not warm up, not come in, warm up again, etc.
On Prior, it appears that the Cubs are going to "non-tender" him, which I think means no arbitration and therefore a FA. Is he worth a 0.5 -1.0 MM base for a couple of years and huge incentives? Certainly couldn't be worse than Cormier or Stanton.
I'm not sure I want either of them, but if I take one, it would be Prior. No way on Wood.
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