Say Hello to .500
It's understandable the Reds don't want to be hijacked by the Orioles. Bedard is a nice lefthander. He's not Steve Carlton. All you can do is trust the judgement of those paid to be smart about the likes of Bailey, Cueto and the kid from Texas.
But once again, unless Joe Blanton magically appears, the Reds are playing for a future that never arrives. Bedard: 13-game winner in 5 months. Bailey, Cueto etc. : Unopened package. Bedard: Puts Reds immediately in Central mix. Bailey etc.: Leaves them wishing on potential.
It's a little like saving your money for a rainy day, while choosing to live in Palm Springs.
When you've been lousy since 2000, the way to being not lousy is crystal, and you hoard your prospects rather than give winning a shot, it's a little discouraging. Part of the reason you have prospects is so you can trade them.
A big reason the Cordero signing excited me was it spoke of winning now. You don't throw 46 mil at a soon-to-be 33-year-old closer unless you're going for it. Now?
Harang, Arroyo and ? and the Mysterians. That's no way to bring championship baseball back to Cincinnati.
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Paul, the trouble is that .500 is a mark that the Reds haven't seen in 7 years, so it would show that the Reds are improving. Do you think that Managment would be content with that?
Throw in a couple more bobblehead nights, and maybe attendance might rise as well.
I just wish for one year, we'd pony up the dough and make a run at the division.
Doc, I understand that you have to keep writing things, subjects that hopefully inspire thoughtful debate, but you can't honestly think that the Reds are not going to make any more moves before spring training or the season.
So far this offseason Krivsky has addressed the biggest need the Reds had with their late game pitching, and also sold very high on Josh Hamilton.
As good of a story as Josh Hamilton is, to get any teams number one pitching prospect and another young pitcher with some potential for a guy that only cost $25,000 to acquire at a position where the Reds have a surplus is a good thing.
Hamilton has a lot of natural talent, but in the last 10 years the Reds have had plenty of outfielders with potential.
When we look back on this offseason in either November of 2008 or 2009 I think we'll see how good of a job Krivsky is doing.
You have been quite the sourpuss when it comes to the Reds Offseason. I guess the whole winter depression thing is kicking in with you? Haha. I kid, I kid. I loved the trade of Hamilton to get another club's top pitching prospect. And I applaud WK for not torching the farm for the O'S. I think the reds have a good mixture of winning now and winning in the future. The rotation is a little green right now but all the Reds need from the backend of the rotation are quality outings. Can't discount the pick up of THE CLOSER: It knocks Weathers, Burton, Bill Bray, etc., up an inning, therefore strengthening the bullpen and the nervous breakdown inning (the wicked 8th).
I'm starting to get back on your bandwagon since you haven't been bashing 85 lately..haha
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I agree that they need that 3rd quality starter. They also needed Cordero. At 33 he has only a few good years left in his arm.
Maybe they see the new guy, Volquez, as a number 4 starter, but they can't see him as a 2 or 3. His era was 4.50 in a short major league tour.
We need the pitching, so it's hard to really analyze the Hamilton trade. It'll be a shame if we gave him away for nothing at all, the way we did with Austin Kearns. (One dead arm and one guy now gone (Guardado?)
Hamilton had 19 homers and a 292 average for a rookie, was a dazzling defense man with a rocket arm. Assuming the straight and narrow, he's a star some day.
Back to pitching: we're not going to win with 2 pitchers and no bull pen. They've picked up a real closer and half of a starter.
You are dead on bullseye with the
.500 prediction. If the young pitchers bloom, then maybe better. If not, then we can afford to wait for a real pitcher deal for next year.
However, if the town gets too excited about .500 ball, then the management might be tempted to stay at that level.
This town should hold the management to 1970's standards and accept nothing less.
Actually 4.50 when accepting the ERA will probably come down moving to the NL looks an awful lot like a #3 to me.
Bronson Arroyo's ERA in 2004? 4.51
I don't understand how 33 is on the verge of drawing social security as you have insinuated Paul, 33 is still very much young (At least I hope so as I turn 33 next year).
If 33 is too old and 22-25 is too young should the Reds just sign those between ages of 26-30?
Honestly the Reds need a Brandon Webb type of pitcher in this rotation. If Bedard or Blanton is that type of pitcher then I would have traded Jay Bruce even after the Hamilton trade,otherwise in this ball park its best to take a chance on a free agent, short term contract, such as Mark Prior, who just two years ago was regarded as one of the top pitchers in the game.
I agree 100%! Let's trade some prospects while they're still prospects.
Not all of them work out. That's why you trade them. The Reds weren't that far away last year from contending for a wild card spot/divisional championship. I like the continued tweaking.
Hey Daugherty
I read your column today. Made me boil a little bit, but you're bringing the truth. I can't believe I'm saying this but Rudi has to go. I still believe he has something to offer, its just that Watson, Irons, and Dorsey offer more.
But the secondary makes my mouth water. Fiver years from now, we'll look back and mark where the foundation of this team was created: in the secondary. And it isn't just this game, I've noticed the ballhawking hunger for the ball and the sensational hits all year from the rookie safeties.
HERE IS A QUESTION FOR YOU: What do you think of moving Madieu Williams to the nickel? I don't think the bengals can let him walk, because their most likely letting Deltha go . I believe this will sure up the secondary for years to come.
The Bengals took a little skepticism for taking Joseph and Hall in back to back years, but it is going to pay off in the long run.
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Paul --
You say that like it is a bad thing. As your first poster suggested, a .500 record in 2008 would be one heck of a step up and a big improvement on the way to championship ball.
The Reds finished 18 games below .500 in 2007. 9-10 more wins from one year to the next isn't cause for wild celebration, but would be real progress.
A baby has to walk before they run.
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