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Paul Daugherty
Paul Daugherty has been an Enquirer sports columnist since 1994 and has been chronicling Cincinnati sports since 1988. He has covered almost every major sporting event in America, as well as five Summer Olympics. Along the way, he has been named one of the country's top-5 sports columnists four times, and Ohio columnist of the year on seven different occasions. Last year, he was voted 2nd-best sports columnist in the country, by the Associated Press Sports Editors.

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Saturday, December 01, 2007

230 Miles Every Year

CANTON -- Our high school writer Tom Groeschen reports on the Enquirer's HS blog about keeping the state football championships wa-a-a-y up here in Canton and Massillon through 2011. Gresh deals with this stuff far more than I do, and if he says it runs like clockwork, that's good enough for me.

It's still a load.

The reasons given are familiar: The stadiums up here are the right size, their proximity to each other is convenient and practical, the traffic flow is good and blah and blah and blah.

The fact that fans in our area are inconvenienced matters not at all. The notion that a very good event should be spread around a state where HS football is equally fanatic is ignored.

Sorry, but I can't help but think part of it is a big ol' up yours to SW Ohio, which the way some view it, isn't even Ohio at all.

It's funny. When you read in-state publications about travel within Ohio, golf within Ohio, anything within Ohio, most can't say enough about everywhere else in Ohio but our little corner of the state. If you've lived in the Tristate any time at all, you'll hear us referred to as North Kentucky or worse. Hard not to feel like the orphans of the state. Except when it comes to D-1 titles. SW Ohio had won 4 of the last 5 heading into the game tonight.

Stadium size? Really? If you're a kid in these games, do you care? Or would it be better to dress in a locker room at Paul Brown Stadium? No telling if the Bengals would allow a local entrant to use their room, but who knows? And you cannot tell me that you would not get 30,000 to watch a local team play in the D-1 final.

Traffic? Would you rather enter and exit a place surrounded by interstates, or a place surrounded by 2-lanes? Fawcett Stadium here is on I-77, but it might as well be a 2-lane, constantly torn up and slow. And once you get off 77, forget it. Twenty minutes a mile.

They want turf, they want 2 venues, they have PBS and Nippert. And maybe, fans traveling from elsewhere in the state who spend the night can locate a restaurant better than a Bob Evans.

And the weather in Cincinnati would not be routinely dreadful, as it is here. As I type 1 minute before kickoff, snow is falling sideways. Nice.

Even if none of that were true, an event this special has to be shared. Or put in Columbus, where north and south make an equal hike.

Meantime, we feel like 2nd-class citizens. Everywhere but the field.


23 Comments:

at 8:13 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should have done the doubleheader with Groeschen to experience the full dominance of Cincinnati in the state finals

 
at 9:55 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul,

May I suggest Milligan's (ribs, and a great bar), Bender's (steak, seafood), Copper's (steak, nice bar), Baker's (best steak in town), Tim's Tavern (beer batter fish) when in Canton and Massillon.

I'll assume your frustration is with OSHAA, and not with the great people who volunteer to put on a great event, and leave it at that.

I read that OSHAA gets a check for ~$100k when the games are all over. I'm sure all Cincy would have to do is come up with $150k+ and they'd get the games.

 
at 6:48 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm laughing at the superior intellect." (Kirk to Kahn)

The N. Ohio nitwits think we don't see that load of bologna they're trying to peddle.

Other than that, Bearcat Basketball really bites. Cronin is pleading with his players to "listen to him."

Sheesh....can anyone imagine a college coach reduced to that. If it wasn't so sad, I'd be laughing.

 
at 9:25 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's more complicated than that.

But bottom line: the championship should routinely rotate between the northeast, Columbus and Cincinnati. Perhaps even throw in Dayton in that rotation.

OHSSAA (whatever) should share the wealth.

 
at 12:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul. You touch on a long time beef of mine. This is nothing but the good 'ol boy network up north taking care of their own and trying to stack the deck. In the past 6 or seven years how many state champions have come from Cincy, and how many of the games have been played down here? Doesn't take a genius to see what is happening here. Please do some research and write more on this topic. It's time the parents and kids in this part of the state stopped getting screwed.

 
at 9:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop the whining and get used to the tradition of Canton/Massillon.
This is hallowed football ground, and the logistics work well for the crowds and most fans.
If the money is the issue, why not pony up some Gannett and other corporate dollars and bring the games here ?

 
at 10:42 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:10 pm: Are you insinuating that Cincinnati's pay-off isn't large enough? Oops! Didn't mean to blow your cover.

I know high school kids don't want to play in Cincinnati or Cleveland's NFL stadiums or the Shoe in Columbus. They much prefer the home of NFL preseason football.

I understand and respect history but it's 2007. Well, unless you've driven around Canton recently (and I have).

 
at 10:49 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Money is not the issue. To pretend that it is means that someone thinks there's no money down here in southern Ohio.

My guess is that we're just outvoted by a larger population from Columbus, northeast Ohio and northwest Ohio.

I'm not real sure how to cure that.

 
at 9:05 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul where exactly is T Groesscen's article on keeping the games in Canton/Massillon?

Robert Young
Milford

 
at 1:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think this is a travesty, consider what OHSSA does with non revenue sports. i am separately e-mailing my correspondence with it in fights where i had no dog.

As for the the answer to the question:

"What do the winners think?"

My children have five individual state championship trophies in our house.

 
at 2:37 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul, thanks for your post. Having gone to the St. X / Mentor game this past weekend I have to agree with you. The weather in Canton in early December is dicey at best (we had snow showers the entire game). The best hotel I could get for the game was in Akron in that all the rooms in Canton / Massillon were booked. They shut down the exit off of I 77 forcing a monumental traffic jam that took nearly 90 minutes to get through. Expect a 10-15 minute hike from your parked car to the game. In all honesty / history thrown aside Fawcett is a pit. Ohio has much better facilities to play these important games. Years ago I attended a championship game at Massillon and it was first rate (but they need to do some serious work at Fawcett). I know that the OHSAA does not want to have these championships in large stadiums because it does not "look good", to that I say "I do not care what it looks like!" Please play theses games in stadiums / citys designed to handle to crowds / traffic comfortably. Certainly PBS and Nippert are good candidates. I went to a game at Columbus Crew Stadium a few years back and it is a great facility as well. Throw in the Horseshoe and Columbus is a super candidate as well. I was suprised that the attendance at the St. X / Mentor game was only 12,000. I am sure that if the game was held at Nippert there would be 20,000 people from southwest Ohio with no rooting interest just wanting to see the D1 State Final. It is a shame that we will have to wait until 2011 before even given the opportunity to get these games away from the OHSAA northern Ohio football syndicate.

 
at 3:43 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul:

Your comment regarding Bob Evans was both accurate and hilarious. My wife and I ventured into 'downtown' Canton, only to find a few dingy fast-food joints. We headed back out of the city and settled for the Bob Evans on Tuscarawas Street. It was either that or Pizza Hut. Choices, choices!

The citizens of Canton were very nice, but the area around Fawcett Stadium was economically depressed and uninviting. It was one run-down strip-mall after another - with a few boarded-up buildings thrown into the mix.

We made the long, four hour drive south after the game just like we did in 2005. I refuse to spend the night in Canton just because the OHSAA bends over backward to reward the rust belt of Ohio.

 
at 3:50 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see that you are now getting your columns from Yappi.com.

Try calling the teams in the MAC (you can find where that is located on Yappi as well) and ask them how difficult it is for them to get to Canton.

Then ask them why they do not complain about it.

It's only the Cincinnati people who gripe about it.

Yes the same Cincinnati people who won't move from one side of town to the other, citing the distance.

Yes, the same Cincinnati people who won't go downtown or to Reds' game because of "parking".

Before you give me the 48,000 for a playoff game, it was 70 degrees and the stadium was brand new.

 
at 3:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats to St. Xavier and Anderson! Once again, the city of Cincinnati dominates the rest of the state in football.

On the way home, we passed the 30,000 seat Columbus Crew MLS stadium. It looked dry and inviting since it was located below the snow/freezing rain weather system that passed through NE Ohio. The stadium is right next to I-71, so access couldn't be better.

My question is: don't most states conduct their state football finals in the state capital? Columbus is an equitable location since it's positioned in the dead center of Ohio. As an added plus, you can actually find some decent restaurants nearby that don't have a "dollar menu" or biscuits-n-gravy served w/ every other entree!

 
at 5:46 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

but only 90 miles away the Buckeyes prepare for a National Title - and Cincinnati acts like it isn't part of the state. You get what you give.

 
at 6:21 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The OHSAA is the single most corrupt organization that exists on that level in the United States.

There is no other reason to have Division 1 semifinal football games held at Welcome Stadium - someone tell me with a straight face that pockets aren't getting greased there. Let's take the most popular teams in SW Ohio, teams that could bring 10 thousand on their own, and put them in a terrible, prison like, antiquated 11K place on concre--err---Astroturf, where you can't even walk around? The football stadium in The Longest Yard was better.

Then, have the championship games held in the armpit of Ohio. If God was going to stick an enema in the state of Ohio, it would be right in Canton. Another money grab.

It's nothing new. I remember the days when the regions were drawn so that three of the divisions split up the greater Cleveland/Akron area....I only wish that I could find those old maps, just to point out that this kind of stuff has been going on for years and years and years...

SW Ohio has always got the shaft from OHSAA, and it looks that the status quo is still in order. It will be interesting to see what other ways they try to screw us, since their DI football cash cows continue to lose the championship games.

Someone in the OHSAA must enjoy the old Pee Trough...

 
at 1:23 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 10:42. I have no dog in this fight: I amactually a Cincy resident who has attended many state title events in different cities across Ohio. I agree Columbus would be the best location: problem is Ohio Stadium too big and Crew stadium a soccer pitch ( although the playoff games held there have been successful.) Plus, Cincy, Columbus, and Cleveland are major league cities with professional and college teams competing for the attention. Massillon/Canton have well-oiled machine to keep the games up north: until someone steps up with better deal (financially, logistically, and politically), nothing will change.
One thing I suspect that keeps the games up north is the fact that St. X, Elder, Colerain, Anderson, and Moeller have huge fan bases that travel. How many Iggy, Eds, Glenville, Mentor..etc. fans would drive to Cincy for the finals ??
PBS and Nippert would be perfect duo: OSHAA, are you listening ? Finals should be rotated by region every 4 years !

9:10 anon

 
at 10:10 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't they just play all the championship games at Ohio Stadium? Central location, historic stadium, ample parking, more seating than they could ever need, and the OSU season ends the week before Thanksgiving. It seems like a perfect fit and is basically fair for all corners of the state.

 
at 5:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

i guess there is more symbolism for the players, who get the chance to see the great football players, but it has gotten to much with the stadium being in a less desirable area and the quality does not help. it is a good decision to improve the the stadium, even though granted, you can't stop the weather, you can offer some reprise by having part of the stadium roofed in. but this is a large scale project that will cost money. money that the hall of fame probably doesn't have or won't use for a high school tournament. we need to just appreciate the fact that there are only two games a year here

 
at 10:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul D....over the years I have had my difference of opinion with you, but this time your right on the money. Having just visited the Canton-Arkron area on business a couple of weeks ago and driven right by the Fawcett Stadium...the first thing that went through my mind was..."This is where they play for the state championship?...You gotta' be kidding! You mean to tell me this event couldn't be hosted in Paul Brown Stadium and/or Nippert?

At the very least the game should be in Columbus. Its virtually in the the center of the state and it is the state capital.

This all comes down to the "good old boy" politics of it all. I guess if Cincinnati area teams keep winning enough of the state titles, the upper half of the state probably will get a bill introduced in Columbus to have the southern third of the state annexed by Kentucky and/or Indiana.

My two cents worth. Thanks...ta

 
at 4:04 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the OHSAA, either Canton or Massillon have hosted the Division I football state final since 1991. And now they'll have the state final until 2011 - that adds up to a twenty year run that is unprecedented in Ohio history.

Following the 2011 state final, the next twenty state finals should be played at either Nippert Stadium or Paul Brown Stadium just to balance things out. Maybe even hold a few finals at Ohio Stadium in Columbus. Then we'll see how many of those so-called fans from northeast Ohio travel to see the game...

[A: it won't be many!] Mentor, Ohio is located an hour and a half from Canton. Mentor H.S. still had over 1,000 of its allotted tickets UNSOLD at game time last Saturday. That's a pathetic, embarrassing showing. It was also painfully obvious that virtually no one from Canton/Massillon bothered to check out the game, as overall attendance didn't crack 13,000. So much for the high school football tradition in Canton/Massillon that I keep hearing about!

 
at 3:15 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cinci folk obviously don't recognize a restaurant that doesn't have chili and mac on the menu.
Also you all are talking about Ohio High School football games, OHIO being the keyword. Look around your state it's dispair, disrepair, pollution and rust. You're not going to find a Donovans Steakhouse, world class stadiums, and anyone symapthetic that you all still live there.

 
at 4:00 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 3:15:

You've just described parts of the Canton/Akron metroplex. Your comment highlights your ignorance of Ohio overall, but even a blind, dumb, befuddled squirrel like you finds the occasional nut of truth. Canton/Akron is having a rough time of late - thanks for the newsflash there! You must watch a lot of TV to be so insightful.

You couldn't be more wrong otherwise. We're happy to live in beautiful Cincinnati, USA and do not share your negative, pessimistic, angry view of the world. So go away back into the ether, little man, and think of a more intelligent post for next time.

 
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