Paul Daugherty: unlistenable M.Irvin

Tuesday, November 28, 2006

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061128/COLUMNISTS0306/611280316/1065/sports

Anyone else tired of the double standard?

28 Comments:

at 8:56 AM

Anonymous said...

I'm very tired of the double standard indeed. I feel powerless against it. And, no... I had not heard anything about this until I read this column.

at 9:40 AM

Anonymous said...

Now Paul, you realize that you must be a racist for even mentioning a double standard......

If Ron Jaworski had said this, he would be fired, ESPN would issue an appology, Jaworski would have to issue 125 appologies, he'd have to go through diversity training, and he'd have to go through the ringer wil Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

at 10:32 AM

Anonymous said...

Amen. The hypocrisy and double standards in our society at this point are a complete joke. A farce.

Andy Furman gets fired. Michael Richards is crucified and forced to grovel to Jesse Jackson. And it's perfectly acceptable for Michael Irvin to publicly puke this crap out.

It is maddening.

at 11:08 AM

Anonymous said...

Hey paul, yes i am tired of the double standard. So why dont you stop applying a double standard? Where was your article about Steve Lyons and why he was fired from FOX? Where is your "blogpage" entry decrying the bigoted opinions heard on 700 wlw and 1530 homer on a daily basis? And arent you the same person who writes "glowingly" about Michelle Wie and Morgan Pressel but bash the likes of a Lebron james because it makes your stomach turn more to see a young African American making millions of dollars as opposed to a young white female who pass college and sometimes highschool to pursue a "professional career". HELL YEAH I AM SICK OF THE DOUBLE STANDARD. So why dont you stop it!!!!!!!!!!! I love hearing how white people feel that they are treated like a minority. get a clue!!! It could be worse, you could be black like my parents and be denied the right to vote, work and pursue the American dream. Double standard my butt.

at 12:02 PM

Anonymous said...

Double standard? can someone explain to me how is it that in cincinnati(sports in general) where minorities are the majority in sports the 2 daily papers and the only two sports talk stations in cincinnati dont employ ONE AFICAN AMERICAN on their staffs. Dont we actually nee to know the perspective in sports from people who have actually "played the game"? Or do white members in the media just tend to be the most negative and cynical among us?

Russel

at 2:17 PM

Anonymous said...

He is not only a racist but the worst analyst in any sport.

at 2:23 PM

Anonymous said...

The same people who like to play the "Jesse jackson/Al Sharpton" Card are the same people who like to call sports talk shows and 700 wlw to spew their racist/insensitive crap on a daily basis. SHUT UP YOU BLANKING HYPOCRITS. AND YOU WONDER WHY BLACK AND WHITE DONT GET ALONG. Where were you when the 'community" asked you to speak up when Marge Schott spewed her racist hate? where were you? thought so...........again.....you people are nothing more than racist hypocrits.

at 2:24 PM

Anonymous said...

Paul,

Thank you for the link. Yes, the double standard is sickening. This is the first I've heard of it.
Irvin has yet to utter a single perceptive comment about anything, not just NFL football, in all the face time he has received as an ESPN analyst. Irvin came off as a complete fool when his buddy Owens O.D.ed a few weeks back. He is a goiter on the body of American sports journalism.
Not only that, but he detracts from the others on the set. I think Steve Young is pretty classy, but you just can't tell for sure with Irvin on the set.
World Wide Leader in Snorts! Indeed.
Chip Lapp
Kenwood OH

at 2:28 PM

Anonymous said...

unlistenable M. Irvin.
A black man can get away with this crap because the liberal media believes in tolerance. They tolerant it because it is within their thought process. If it outside their beliefs, the hell with tolerance, its wrong.
I agree. The hypocrisy and double standands are a complete joke.
WLW and Fox is not BET and 1230

at 2:57 PM

Anonymous said...

Soooo...Russell (and the poster before him), you are both saying that since we live in a world where discrimmination does still exist, what Michael Irvin said is okay? The fact that bad exists gives a free pass to more bad?

Why? That's my question. Why? Why should Michael Richards be ran through public wrath (and he should), and not Michael Irvin? What Richards said was vulgar and racist. He SHOULD be shamed. But why should Irvin not be? He insinuated that there's no way that white-Romo could be as athletic as he is without having a great, great, great grandma sneaking off and having sex with a black "stud"...Why is he not enduring the same thing?

Just answer that one question without going into a diatribe of other digressions, and never really addressing WHY Michael Irvin shouldn't be punished!

at 3:09 PM

Anonymous said...

Now Paul since you're white you have to pretend he didn't say it. Double standard? Of course there's a double standard.

at 5:31 PM

Anonymous said...

And just imagine the fire-storm if UC names Pat Narduzzi its Head Football coach without consulting the Black Coaches Association.

at 5:38 PM

Anonymous said...

and what's so infuriating is that this garnered very little national attention. when rush limbaugh implied something similar about donovan mcnabb a couple years ago, it was everywhere and he was publicly lambasted. now the media doesn't even find irvin's theory newsworthy at all.

at least report it and let the people decide. don't hide it. treat both sides the same.

at 8:04 PM

Anonymous said...

I liked it when Irvin was ranting some of his usual unintelligable crap before a Monday Night Game this year and when he was done, Tom Jackson looked at him and said "Are you retarded?" It was classic. And the same question so many of us have been wanting to ask Irvin.

at 7:13 AM

Anonymous said...

Wow.

The issue of race has lit up your blog, Doc. No surprise.

I have only one thing to say: Michael Irvin is the MOST god-awful "analyst" I have ever listened to in all of sports. Once before, I praised Doc for calling him "unlistenable" because that word, by itself, very succinctly and clearly explains Michael Irvin.

While I'm at it...

Who is the 2nd worst? Dave Lapham. Dave sounds like a super nice guy and appears to be very knowledgeable. But, Dave, STOP CHEERING WHEN BRAD IS TRYING TO CALL PLAY-BY-PLAY ON A BIG PLAY!! When Carson throws a touchdown pass, Lapham is so busy cheering that he routinely and regularly drowns out Brad and the listener is left to hear about what happened only AFTER the play is complete. I had the misfortune of listening to the New Orleans game on my drive back from a weekend away. At least 3 seperate times I couldn't hear the play-by-play because Lapham was rah-rah-ing the Bengals. It's ok to be a homer, but SHUTUP and let the fans hear what is happening from Brad...cheer AFTER the touchdown.

Enough of my rant.

Keep up the great, thoughtful, and sometimes incendiary commentary Doc. You are great for the Enquirer, for sports, and for this city.

Living big, but exercising.

at 9:58 AM

Anonymous said...

wow...this last poster is another one who probably screams at kids to keep the ball out of his yard...

relax, dude! lapham is excited! raw emotion, dude! all of life doesn't depend upon script! Lap should curb his enthusiasm and joy over a super play because you can't hear EXACTLY what's happening at the VERY EXACT moment! Find other causes to get irritated over, dude! Darfur, Osama, the poor in America, etc...but to rant about Lap being loud and excited? Whatever, Bitterman...it's actually humorous to see an individual that upset over someone else's unabashed joy.

Keep it up, Lap!

at 1:23 PM

Anonymous said...

And one more Lapham rant...

The guy needs to trash his weekly game notes from the Bengals and give us some real analysis, if he's capable.

When he's not screaming over Brad's play by play, he's rattling off a litany of useless statistics.

"The Bengals score 92% of the time when they get inside the 24 yard line on Sunday's when they are home, wearing orange shirts and black pants, when the field temperature is over 44 degrees and the sky is 83% overcast and the defense has 8 in the box. That's 51% on pass plays and 49% running plays or 51 out of a hundred times you push it acrosss the goal"

Just an example.

Lap, drop all the useless numbers that you think is preparation and tell why a play is working or isn't working. I can read all the stats I want to on the Bengals website.

at 2:02 PM

Anonymous said...

Where were all you so called good white people when african Americans ask you to speak out about things said on 700wlw? Where were you? you people are nothing but a bunch of hypocrits. i for one am sick and tired of hearing and seeing nothing but lame white guys in sports/sports talk media giving us their lilly white plesantville world. Its people like you all that make me root harder for tiger Woods and donovan Mcnabb. i's people like you who call guys like 700 wlw to spew your racist hate. Where is Pual's blogpage entry about the things said on 700wlwl? Wheres Pual's blogpage entry tallikng about the "double standard applied to Griffey Jr and many other black athletes who have played in this town compared to the "good ole boy" treatment of Ryan freel and Tom Browning? Thought so.....and you wonder why there is a black and white scoreboard. Anytime and i do mean anytime we can domintae you guys on the sports feild we will. because we know deep inside that we really dont like you either. the problem is, the sports media is full of white guys the never played sports but act as if they know how the game should be played. You good white people need to start taking on the likes of Bill Cunningham. maybe then we wil start "respecting you more". until then SHUT UP

at 7:16 PM

Anonymous said...

Hookedd on Fonics Wurrked For Meeee

Jesus. You give illiterates a bad name dude. Seriously.

at 12:03 AM

Anonymous said...

All those "white guys that never played sports in the sports media" should stop covering sports all together. That would fix it. Then all those "ballers" could figure out they're nothing without that game and the exposure provided by all those "white guys who never played sports". Of course, then you would whine that those "white guys" weren't giving you the attention and respect you deserve. Guess it's a no-win situation.

at 7:26 AM

Anonymous said...

I agree with those who say that Irwin is not a great analyst and that his defense of T.O. was way off-base.

But outrage over a few cracks about Romo's heritage? C'mon. There's a reason why African Americans "get away" with joking about this stuff. Duh. They were the ones oppressed; they were the ones ENSLAVED. Get a clue. What he said is actually pretty amusing and goodhearted. Irwin was a Cowboy, and he's happy about Romo, he's saying Romo is one of us. Big deal. Are the white athletes of the USA horribly offended or something? Awwww...

at 7:42 AM

Anonymous said...

...And you, 2:02 pm Anonymous, need to learn how to spell...

I know, I know, I must be another racist white. No...actually, I'm a proud African American who, like you, have been marginalized at times because of my skin color, but one who DOES find the fact that Michael Irvin gets a free pass disturbing and plain wrong.

Bro, he hinted that a Mother in Romo's family tree HAD to have gone off and had sex with another black "stud" for Romo to be the athlete he is!! That's wrong!

I know, I know...since I went to college and agree that there IS a double standard, you'll call me an Uncle Tom. I've learned to deal with it. I must have grown up privileged, right? Wrong. I grew up in Lincoln Heights, no father around. But I can still admit, and my mother will too, that a better way would have been to have my father around.

Let's call truth for what it is!

at 8:18 AM

Anonymous said...

my response to Anon @ 9:58...

look, "dude"...i'm not pissed off. "Ranting" is part of the entertainment of sports. if i loved everything and everybody, life would be BORING. if doc wrote every column praising everybody, dude, it would be BORING.

can't be cool like you, dude, and worry about darfur and osama on a stupid blog (sorry doc) about sports. i can complain about lapham because he sucks as a sports announcer. if he were any good at all, he would be doing this for a network. otherwise, dude, we're stuck with him.

so, dude, while your off saving the universe with your concerns over the suffering in darfur or the hunt for osama bin laden or global warming or whatever-the-hell people who routinely use the word "dude" worry about, I'LL JUST HAVE A LITTLE FUN ON A BLOG ABOUT SPORTS!!!

dude, dude, dude...over and out.

at 9:22 AM

Anonymous said...

Lap Basher--
Dude, your rage is humorous even more now! It's so evident in your posts, the last one especially. I find the anger in your posts funny. Preciseley BECAUSE it's a sports blog, and Lapham a sports announcer, your rage (which is the right word, by the way) is freakin' hilarious!
:)

at 9:38 AM

Anonymous said...

It is a double standard, pure and simple as they come. If you can't see that, then you are blind.

Nothing will come of it though, it will be tolerated, and the ghosts of all the white analysts will continue to live in shame. So since we can't do anything to change all of this, let me tell you what I'm truly outraged about:

I live in Columbus, Ohio, and I will not get to see the Bengals game tonight unless I go to a sports bar to watch. Thanks, NFL network. Thanks a lot for being so innavative.

at 12:10 PM

Anonymous said...

I'd argue that rascism is at the heart of it but not the way you might think at first glance.

It is rascist because there is a lower set up expectations for African-American sports broadcasters )and other profeessions)held by the white people in power at ESPN and the other Networks (and whatever organization you choose.)

The underlining message is that "they" are not capable of living up to the high standards of the white professionals so "they" need to be cut extra slack.

It's not about black people being rascist about white people, it is about white people feeling superior to black people.

White Guy in Madeira

at 3:09 PM

Anonymous said...

This is for annon. 742 am.

hey Proud "black guy"!!! from one black man to another......we dont care that you didnt have a father growing up. We dont care that your mother agrees that you should have had a father in the house(tell you moms to learn how to keep a man). i grew up with both parents in the house just like many of my other african American friends i went to North avondale Elementary and Woodward highschool. So what makes you think that you are "so special". As far as you being a "uncle tom". the only person to bring "tomism" was you. What white perosn are you trying to impress by showing just how 'un0black" you can be at times. the only double standard is the constant berage of white guys in the media always wanting to share their thought on what black people should do. i dont care. Dont you want to hear me talk about the problem inside the "white community culture"? Maybe you can explain why the sports media in theis twon is 110% white? maybe you can explain why in sports talk radio an 'average ordinary non athletic white guy" can get a job in sports talk radio but in order for a black guy to get behind the microphone he has to be a former athlete? Explain that , high and ighty proud African American. Thought so...but you are the same guy who understand the "white man" and his angst about a bogus "double standard". I could be worse Mr. White man, you could have your right to vote denied. You could have your right to enter any dinner to eat denied. Please stop with the "white man is being picked on crap". grow a pair.........like i said.i could be worse...alot worse

at 7:36 PM

Anonymous said...

All I can say in response is "Wow"...I will leave it at that.

(signed)
An African American who is not angry.

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